PGIIID - Kampagnenmodus - Prestige Cap | Jensencap
Verfasst: So 3. Aug 2014, 22:31
Hi to all,
Talking with one very good and experienced player I have found that he didn’t know about PRESTIGE CAP. It could be that there are more people who don’t know about it or don’t consider how important prestige cap is for playing campaigns. I am not sure if this subject was already discussed in PL forum, if not, I hope that this post can be useful for some players.
The thing is a little bit complicated, so I will try just to present basic principles.
In general we are earning prestige from two sources. One is occupying the cities, and that is directly related to settings we put, and the other is from prestige cap (prestige that we get at the end of scenario) and it is same for any setting. Normally that is applied for all campaigns, and Guderians Strategis will be taken as an example.
For Madrid prestige cap is 2000, Chicenow 2500, Souslami 3000 etc. The amount that we will get after finishing scenario is actually a Prestige Cap value decreased by the value of purchased units and the prestige we have on our account. Our core army (units that are given at the beginning of campaign) and prototype units are not included in a prestige cap, and that is the most important thing.
That means, after Madrid, if we purchase new units for 2000, which include units that we have bought during the battle, we will receive only 500 when we finish Chicenow. So, if I initially have 2000 prestige but I spend 700 prestige for upgrade and overstrenght of our core units, then I can buy new units for only 1300 prestige, when I finish Chicenow I will receive 1200 prestige (2500-1300).
That is a very simplified example. In fact it’s a little bit more complicated, but I am trying not be too confusing.
We can discuss whether it is better to have bigger army, or smaller but more modern one . There are arguments for bought sides. Personally I prefer the more modern one and I will present some benefits of efficiently using prestige cap. I have tested in practice that Guderian Strategies can be played successfully with settings of only 50 for Germans in all scenarios (Dunkirk is little bit tough, but anyhow it is very hard, and Windsor 1940 can be avoided) even against best players. Regardless of settings, if we upgrade our core army to maximum in first three or four scenarios, in fact we will have more expensive army (because we had gotten more prestige and invested it in upgrades) and more efficient army comparing to the armies where new units are purchased for all prestige. There is also a downside of this strategy. If we lose 2 or more core units in first 3 scenarios it is much harder to recover. So I am very careful and slow in first 3 scenarios, and often I am losing them (scenarios), but as long as I have BV and all core units alive the job is done. From Sedan onward only the best armies can keep the speed of my “upgraded army”, not because of my tactics on battlefield but due to the quality of the army.
At the end of this long post I will just give two tips for players who don’t want to bother with math and waste too much time in studding theory of prestige cap, and some links where all the things are explained in details for the ones who are interested.
At the end of each scenario just do upgrade or overstrenght core and prototype units for at least 500 prestige until you come to Dunkirk.
As long as you are under prestige cap you can refit for 200-300 during the scenario, that will come at no cost at all.
These are the tree pages of the same site where prestige cap is explained. There are more sites, but in my opinion this is the best explanation. The site is in English and they call prestige cap “Jensen” cap.
It would be great if somebody knew links with explanations in German, so everybody could understand.
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-2.htm
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-3.htm
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-4.htm
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU
Darth
Talking with one very good and experienced player I have found that he didn’t know about PRESTIGE CAP. It could be that there are more people who don’t know about it or don’t consider how important prestige cap is for playing campaigns. I am not sure if this subject was already discussed in PL forum, if not, I hope that this post can be useful for some players.
The thing is a little bit complicated, so I will try just to present basic principles.
In general we are earning prestige from two sources. One is occupying the cities, and that is directly related to settings we put, and the other is from prestige cap (prestige that we get at the end of scenario) and it is same for any setting. Normally that is applied for all campaigns, and Guderians Strategis will be taken as an example.
For Madrid prestige cap is 2000, Chicenow 2500, Souslami 3000 etc. The amount that we will get after finishing scenario is actually a Prestige Cap value decreased by the value of purchased units and the prestige we have on our account. Our core army (units that are given at the beginning of campaign) and prototype units are not included in a prestige cap, and that is the most important thing.
That means, after Madrid, if we purchase new units for 2000, which include units that we have bought during the battle, we will receive only 500 when we finish Chicenow. So, if I initially have 2000 prestige but I spend 700 prestige for upgrade and overstrenght of our core units, then I can buy new units for only 1300 prestige, when I finish Chicenow I will receive 1200 prestige (2500-1300).
That is a very simplified example. In fact it’s a little bit more complicated, but I am trying not be too confusing.
We can discuss whether it is better to have bigger army, or smaller but more modern one . There are arguments for bought sides. Personally I prefer the more modern one and I will present some benefits of efficiently using prestige cap. I have tested in practice that Guderian Strategies can be played successfully with settings of only 50 for Germans in all scenarios (Dunkirk is little bit tough, but anyhow it is very hard, and Windsor 1940 can be avoided) even against best players. Regardless of settings, if we upgrade our core army to maximum in first three or four scenarios, in fact we will have more expensive army (because we had gotten more prestige and invested it in upgrades) and more efficient army comparing to the armies where new units are purchased for all prestige. There is also a downside of this strategy. If we lose 2 or more core units in first 3 scenarios it is much harder to recover. So I am very careful and slow in first 3 scenarios, and often I am losing them (scenarios), but as long as I have BV and all core units alive the job is done. From Sedan onward only the best armies can keep the speed of my “upgraded army”, not because of my tactics on battlefield but due to the quality of the army.
At the end of this long post I will just give two tips for players who don’t want to bother with math and waste too much time in studding theory of prestige cap, and some links where all the things are explained in details for the ones who are interested.
At the end of each scenario just do upgrade or overstrenght core and prototype units for at least 500 prestige until you come to Dunkirk.
As long as you are under prestige cap you can refit for 200-300 during the scenario, that will come at no cost at all.
These are the tree pages of the same site where prestige cap is explained. There are more sites, but in my opinion this is the best explanation. The site is in English and they call prestige cap “Jensen” cap.
It would be great if somebody knew links with explanations in German, so everybody could understand.
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-2.htm
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-3.htm
http://whoopy-cat.com/panzers/pg2/pg2-05-4.htm
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU
Darth